Conservative Christians; Michelle Obama & The "B" Word
CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS; MICHELLE OBAMA & THE “B” WORD
Why would someone want to connect themselves with the term “Christian Conservative” when people like Burt Prelutsky represents them? The nation would be in an uproar if someone had called Barbara Bush a “bitch.” The country got upset when Jesse Jackson before the election called then Senator Obama the “N” word. But just think, use your holy imagination to vision how much more the magnitude of the uproar would have been if he had called George Bush’s wife or the then President's mother a “bitch?” The people who own Townhall are supposed to be conservative Christians. Prager, Ann Coulter, and Michael Medved, Thomas Sowell, etc, are all columnist on that website supposedly owned by people who call themselves conservative Christians. This term “conservative Christian” really was confusing me. How can someone who calls someone intentionally out of their name, out of their human character, identify themselves as a Christian?
Therefore, I looked it up in the Encarta World English Dictionary. Conservative is defined “as reluctant to accept change” (p. 386). Conservatism is defined “as a right-wing political viewpoint” (p. 386). Those are the words of the dictionary, not mine. I will have something to say once I lay the foundation, but it is the dictionary that defines “conservatism: as a right-wing political viewpoint.” This same dictionary defines “Christian” as a “believer in Jesus Christ as savior, somebody who believes that Jesus of Nazareth was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and example” (p. 325). This same dictionary defines “Christ” as “Jesus Christ, the messiah according to the Bible, a savior who would come to deliver God’s chosen people” (p. 325). Hummm.
So to synthesize these definitions I would conclude that Christian Conservatives as defined by Dennis Prager and Salem Communications is someone who is a right-winger who is reluctant to change because they feel they are chosen by Jesus the Mesiah who will be sent by God to the world to save humanity, and calling the First Lady of the United States of America, Michelle Obama, a “bitch” is an example of Jesus’ behavior and teachings which will cause Jesus to acknowledge conservatives as His chosen. Dawn you call yourself a Christian Conservative. From your writings on this blog, surely you don't agree with these Christian Conservatives, do you? Are you happy to be associated with this crowd? What scripture reference are they using?
Jesus inadvertently referred to the Canaanite woman as a “dog” (Matthew 15:21-28), is this their scriptural reference? Let me just share that scripture:
Jesus left that place and went away to the district of Tyre and Sidon. Just then a Canaanite woman from that region came out and started shouting. “Have mercy on me , Lord, Son of David; my daughter is tormented by a demon.” But He did not answer her at all. And his disciples came and urged him, saying, “Send her away, for she keeps shouting after us. He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” But she came and knelt before him, saying, “Lord help me.” He answered, “It is not fair to take the children’s food and throw it to the dogs.” She said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.” Then Jesus answered her, “Woman, great is your faith! Let it be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed instantly.
If this is the scripture then they need to read on. Obviously, this woman, who was a Canaanite, which means she was a Black woman, made Jesus change his mission. For later in Matthew 28:19 Jesus expands the mission beyond the “lost sheep of Israel” when he tells the disciples to “go forth into all the nations and make disciples. If conservatives call themselves reluctant to change from Jesus’ behavior in Matthew 15 then they need to read on to the end of the book. Wouldn’t you say these conservative so-called Christians need to repent and apologize to our First Lady? Now you do say you are disgruntled, so are you disgruntled with these people who call themselves Christian Conservatives? If so, I can see why. Please help us to understand.
I cannot even begin to fathom that Jesus now would support anyone calling any woman a girl dog let alone using that derogatory term in reference to the First Lady of this nation. Obvious to me, these so-called Christian are not reluctant to change from the teachings or behavior of Jesus that we find in the Bible. They are locked in the past. My studies would not lead me to equate calling our First Lady out of her name as a Christian attitude, or Christlike behavior. That raises the question; from what are these conservatives reluctant to change?
From Prager’s words it appears that racism and sexism might be high on the list. That behavior needs to be history in this nation. Unfortunately, it keeps rearing its ugly head in our present day life. Christian Conservatives would have us to believe that just because a Black man is now President of the United States that racism has been erased and forever diminished from the nation's landscape. Prelutsky helps us to clearly see that racism is still alive and well in America. Some will defend Prelutsky by saying lighten up. It's a joke. Well it ain't too funny to me.
Carefully read the following. You will understand why I say what I say. We truly must decrease this conservative so-called Christian hate and increase genuine Christian love. Thank you for listening to AjabuSpeaks.
YOU+ME=US
Townhall: Michelle Obama is a Bitch, Get It?
Mar. 23, 2009
Burt Prelutsky was a TV writer a long time ago. Then he aged out of it and became a crank. This wasn't one of those major loses like Steinbeck. Now he writes a column for Townhall.com, the popular website owned by a Christian radio network. Here's something from his current offering: Take Michelle Obama...please. Every time I turn around, there she is on a magazine cover. Now, normally, like the Mafia, I lay off the spouses, but inasmuch as this particular spouse attended the same racist church as her hubby for 20 years, I'll make an exception in her case. After all, in spite of the fact that affirmative action got her an Ivy League degree and a $7,000-a-week salary and, moreover, has sent billions of dollars for no particularly good reason to Africa, she insists this is a mean country. The burning question in my circle is: if the First Family gets a female dog, will she be the First Bitch or will she have to settle for second place? Get it? Because "bitch" had two meanings! Ah, Christian-sponsored humor. That's not just funny. That's Jesus funny. Weird that Burt Prelutsky doesn't work more. Because that "take my wife... please" bit is also pure dynamite. Must be ageism. Naturally, the left-wing media is now trying to convince us that this James Brown-look-alike has all the allure, glamour and fashion sense of Jackie Kennedy. She's not pretty, for heaven's sakes! She's black! She's a black bitch! You can read the rest at Townhall.
Rev. Ajabu
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Merlynne,
Talk about arrogant. I know my logs, sister. I know them well. Just keep living in your little consistent worldview. Stereotypes are convenient, aren't they. They keep you from having to think.
The one thing that racist non-Christian Prelutzky DOES agree with me about is that Jeremiah Wright is also a hate-filled racist. I was very thankful that President Obama disavowed himself from his pastor. I think that was the right thing to do. I similarly disavow myself from Prelutzky. And if you continue to hold me responsible for his reprehensible thinking then I sincerely wonder about you.
People are not stereotypes and generalizations. Sorry. That would be too simple.
Dawn, Dawn,
Whew!! You said so much. My sister, I say your name twice out of concern for your myopic focus. My speaking your name twice is an act of compassion. My saying your name twice is really an expression of love. I really think you are a good person who is entrapped, even imprisoned by being defined as a conservative. My attempt is to get the know the person named Dawn, not how she labels herself through some ambiguous term like conservative.
I am presently reading a book by J.N.K. Mubambi called "From Liberation To Reconstruction." It is a very interesting read. In there he makes the following statements:
Religion provides the world-view which synthesizes everything that is cherished by individuals as corporate members of the community. Cultural reconstruction should be consciously directed. If it is left to chance, the community risks losing its integrity and identity. Reconstruction of religion is perhaps the most vital project amongst a people undergoing rapid social change (p. 17)
Post civil rights Black people, along with the rest of America are in a reconstruction mode. These are my remarks. Back to Mgambi.
The Church is the organizational framework within which a people's world-view is portrayed and celebrated (p. 17)
Theology is the means by which the Church rationalizes its process of ecclesial reconstruction. THE THEOLOGIAN, AT BEST, SHOULD BE A CATALYST-- A FACILITATOR-- WHO MAKES IT POSSIBLE FOR THE CHURCH TO ADJUST ITSELF TO THE NEW SOCIAL DEMANDS OF THE SOCIETY TO WHICH ITS MEMBERS BELONG (p. 17)
The above statement, in my and many others opinion, is what conservatives are reluctant to change to. Do you fit in this reluctance? Back to Mgambi:
It is important to note that a theologian cannot theologize in a cultural vacuum (p. 20)
This last statement is very important. The culture of your community, obvious to me and many others, is much different than the culture of the community in which I live. Therefore, because of the difference in our cultures they inform the same world events in an entirely different way which brings us to different conclusions about what happened, and what is happening. I would conclude that what we see here is a clash of cultures. This is why you falsely see me as the following:
So why do I define you as a bigot? You are obstinately devoted to the idea that a conservative is a person who meets a stereotypical category defined by your worldview. You think that a white educated person who is not a liberal democrat fits neatly into a box you have sealed up and filed on a shelf. We don't care about children. We hold secret racist beliefs. We have a superiority complex. We are arrogant. Blah blah blah. That is bigotry.
In the inter culture of the greater culture of America many, if not most Black people see white people in the context that you state above. When I said don't care about children after they are born I was speaking of consertive support for the death penalty. It has nothing to do with being conservative as much as it has to do with our historical, and too often, present interaction with white people. What changes the dynamic of a white person being lumped with other white people is we get to know the individual for who the individual is. This is the attempt that I am making with you. I don't know you. If you go back and analyze what I have said, when I refer to you it is through a question. Some people who call themselves conservatives take certain positions that I ask you do you agree with, or want to be associated with? Dawn, the questions are just that, questions, but for some reason you want to take them as accusations. This tells us something about your cognition of self. You have defined yourself as a conservative. I don't really know what that means to you. I am trying to find out. That is the reason why I ask. Let me share another observation that indicates this exchange being a clash of cultures.
Most of white America saw, and see Pastor Jerimiah Wright's words as indication that he is a racist. Most, and notice I said most, Black people do not see Pastor Wright as racist. We, and I say we to include me, see Pastor Wright as a no compromising teller of the truth. Most Blacks did not see Pastor Wright's sermon snipets that were played over and over again and again during the presidential election, we did not see where he was not telling the truth. I would advise you to listen to the whole sermon and put his remarks in context. Very, very powerful message. What most of us did take issue with was the language he used to tell the truth. Again, from your remarks, I see a clash of cultures.
The reason why I call you arrogant is because you come off to me that if it is not your cultural setting that is informing the world events then the view informing our world events is not valid. To me, that is the height of arrogance. You, or nobody else has a lock on all truth, if any truth. That is God's territory and God's alone. This is what you see by other people's comments on this blog. They are telling you how you are being seen. If you are sincere, you will not just dismiss this worldview that is being informed by our cultural experiences as being invalid. Obviously, we are so comfortable within the skin that we are in that your comments expose to us what we have thought true about the greater majority of whites, especially those that define themselves as conservatives, whether true or not. However, your position on this website is confirming our truth. You seriously need to see how people are seeing you. I hope this helps you. God bless.
Rev Ajabu and others
I wrestled with Dawn, the disgusted Christian Conservative, for a long time on this blog and now all of you can see what I was up against. When someone says, "I have a spread sheet oriented mind," what does that really mean?
I tried to wade through more of Dawn's statements and all that I can conclude is that her mind is more schizophrenic than spread sheet. This sister is all over the page and it is so apparent that she really does not know what she believes.
I have to commend you Rev Ajabu for your excellent examples that just go over Dawn's head. The others who tried to address the, "Michelle is a bitch" comment were very clear and to the point. But Dawn comes with long tirades that go in a complete circle and ends up saying nothing. As far as I am concerned, her sick set of ideas and her phony Christian pronouncements are truly a waste of our time. She refuses to look at herself and see that she is one of them [Conservatives]. And as I have said repeatedly, I view "Conservatives" in America the same as the Ku Klux Klan.
It would be one thing if the so called Christian Conservatives only oppressed the poor and the downtrodden 100 years ago, but they still have blood on their hands in 2009.
I have served as the president of my local NAACP for 14 years and I am still active and I spent most of those years fighting Christian Conservatives who continue to oppress the ordinary people both Black and White.
Dawn loves to brag about how Conservatives give money and help the Mexicans, the poor, the Haitians, and so on; but what hurts the ordinary Americans are their conservative laws and proposals. As I have explained many times, you cannot match the charitable giving of any benevolent group with laws and policies that can reach far more of the masses in need.
Liberals have put forth these types of corrective policies that address the large number of hungry, the homeless, the left out. Charitable giving is not enough, it takes bold initiatives and policies from Congress to reach the big numbers of Americans.
Take a look at the Roosevelt Era, where millions of Americans were fed following Republican Herbert Hoover's Great Depression. Look at the jobs that were created under Clinton which led to a larger middle class and many boats were lifted. Now contrast that with the job losses and the increase in poverty in America under George Bush and his conservative Republican Congress. Why brag about charitable giving when your own Conservative policies and laws created the poverty and the struggles for so many Americans.
I have watched how silent the Christian Conservatives are in this town where I live. We have many examples of abuses by law enforcement, killing of innocent Blacks, excessive prison time, blatant racial discrimination all over this community and we hear nothing from these Christian Conservatives that show up every Sunday in the Fist Baptist, First Methodist, First Episcopal Churches.
About 15 years ago the predominantly White Baptist Convention apologized to Blacks for sitting idle while the abuses of slavery took place in America. Those abuses were far more horrific than partial birth abortion that Dawn loves to give as an example. The White slave owners would tie a man's hands to two horses and make them split the Black man in half. Some would rape a Black man's daughter right in front of him. And I could go on but you get my point.
Our NAACP spent so much time fighting those same Christian Conservatives who look the other way when it comes to the rights of so many human beings. Yes they lead the way when it comes to abortions and gay marriage and illegal aliens, etc but there is so much more that can be done to lift up human beings in America that has been left to the Liberals. You can still deal with abortion and other conservative main projects but as Christians you have to feed the hungry, take care of the babies after they are born, lower the infant mortality rate, the homicide rate in many communities, the police brutality, the unfair sentencing of minorities, the uninsured, and the homeless.
I close with my main premise and that is the so called Conservatives in this country are no different than the KKK and the Neo Nazis and the Skin heads. They desire a White homogeneous America that is rid of Blacks, Jews, and Hispanics. I will continue to believe this until the so called Christian Conservatives walk the walk instead of talking the talk.
John
An Ultra Liberal Democrat
WOW, THIS MAN'S MOTHER MUST HAVE BEEN A "DOG" SINCE HE THINKS LIKE ONE, PROBABLY LOOKS LIKE ONE, AND HE DEFINITELY ACTS LIKE ONE.............THEN HE IS ONE! THE NERVE!!!!!!!!!!! IT MAKES MY PRESSURE RISE TO READ SUCH "TRASH".............EVIL AND HATRED ARE ALIVE AND WELL!
Reverend Ajabu,
You asked me to refer to President Obama as President Obama. I refer to him as President Obama. I do it out of respect. I tell you that I find you dismissive and sexist when you "Dawn Dawn" me. You brush that off. Interesting.
You have a hate-filled mean-spirited person on this Board who calls me all kinds of unjustifiable names, yet you focus your "work" on me and do not address him. Interesting.
First Lady B. I totally agree with you. You focused your remarks on the man who made the racist bigoted comments - Perlutsky. I commend you for that. The man is a racist. He needs to be called out on it. I am perfectly comfortable taking these remarks out of the context of this man's entire life and holding him accountable for them. Similarly, I am perfectly comfortable taking Jeremiah Wrights remarks out of the context of his life and holding him accountable. Apparently, President Obama was, as well. Because regardless of the fact that President Obama has likely heard many of Jeremiah Wright's sermons, he also heard the significant racism in these words and disavowed them. THAT is decreasing the hate. It makes me hold him in very high regard.
I am not a supporter of the death penalty. I do not dispute that it is administered unfairly. It is clear that more Blacks, by percentage, are executed than whites. I believe that there is some racism in its administration. I did not always hold this view. But the case that made me think very hard about the death penalty was a case of - it happened to be a black man - but it was the case of a man who they had to PROVE that his IQ was over 70 in order to prove that he had the capacity to be held accountable by death. That case really made me think. Is 1 IQ point really something that should make this kind of difference? It made me realize that the dealth penalty is really just a fear position. Because so often criminals are set free unrehabilitated, people are afraid to let them live. Pure and simple. If we would redirect some of our attention away from the issue of the death penalty toward rehabilitation, it would be a better use of the resources. And as a person who is pro-life, I totally agree that it is inconsistent to be opposed to abortion and supportive of the death penalty. Pure and simple. And people need to come to grips with that inconsistency. On both sides. I believe that the faith community needs to hold President Obama to this standard as he deals with the abortion issue. President Obama holds a very extreme position on abortion. It appears to me to be his way of hold his big tent of democrats together. It is expedient. But it is wrong, nonetheless.
For the record, I do not believe in "collective" guilt. It is an old testament position. I am a bit flabbergasted that Jews are all over the Pope for not "blaming" the German people of today the sins of the Nazis of the past. I thought that jumping on Reagan over his visit to a Nazi prison camp missed his point years ago. I believe that extending hands and reconciliation and forgiveness are the aim of my faith and the reason for Jesus and the new covenant. I believe in discussing the sins of the past so as not to repeat them...not with the idea of placing blame, but for reaching an understanding about right and wrong. I know that I have a heightened understanding of "groupthink" from studying the Hitler youth and the extermination of 6 million jews. I have a heightened understanding about the dehumanization of peole of different cultures from our history of slavery and the treatment of my own ancestors. But I do not believe in holding the offspring of criminals responsible for the crimes of the past. I expect them to acknowledge that they understand the sins of the past, I expect them to renounce the sins of the past and I then believe that it is time to move forward. I believe that forgiveness and reconciliation move the relationships forward in a new and healthier way. I know from experience that this is Truth by the blessings that have come upon me for my own practice of this belief system.
Reverend, see evil on both sides where it exists. The way you deal with hatred on this Board will say a lot about your heart.
If I were on a White Supremacist board...and I realize that there are many....and if a well-intentioned Black person were trying to create a dialogue, I would support that person. I would expect that the other hate-filled people who were there would attack him. Just because they were in unison, they would not be "right".
Something to think about.
LuWanna....I just want to say that I appreciate the support that you have given me and your outreached hand. I believe that we will develop a relationship that will be more meaningful by the way that I believe you have applied your belief in our savior to the actions of your daily life. I think that you are an example to us all.
Dawn
Oh,
John...the reason that my remarks jump all over the Board is this. I have about 10 people directing unjustified accusations at me, as the only white conservative Christian on this Board. I try to address everyone. It is not easy. Nobody talks to you - even to call you out - hence, you do not have the same problem to deal with. You are so hopelessly grinding in your hate. I have discovered a love filled Church in your community with some great teaching. I discovered them by accident while downloading sermons to my new IPod. Check them out....North Point Christian Church.
You clearly need some new friends.
Reverend,
I also see a clash of cultures as well. But I also see a very different process forward....not based in my culture, but based on having been a victim and God's intervention in healing me....through forgiveness and reconciliation.
Brother Ajabu,
Once again, the deplorable product being turned out by our sad sack educational and religious systems is on display on this blog. Despite going to great lengths to frame your discussion around "Christian" values and principles, your responders often wander off the path and miss the lesson. Thinking clearly is not their strong point.
It reminds me of the thousands who would gather around our Lord to be fed, to be healed and to be entertained with parables - yet, most missed the point. Only a few Israelites would stick around after the crowds left. They would then ask the Lord Jesus many questions about his parables to gain understanding. So it is with you, my brother.
Most of those who respond to your blog seem preoccupied with finding fault with you rather than finding the lesson being taught. I am glad we no longer live in an era when "the only good nigger was a dead nigger", because you would be strung up somewhere by now and you would be sorely missed.
Although it is no longer 'open season' on African-Americans, the hostility of these insane racists is today expressed with code words, defamation of character, slander, rumor, association, etc.
How sick are you when you are enraged at another because of the color of his skin? Obama is African-American and they can't stand the thought of it. How sick are you when you think you are superior due to the color of your skin? These folk need professional help, but are unwilling to admit it.
These are the same people who will rationalize a pardon for Bush and his cronies for taking this country to war under false pretenses, yet ruin a kids life if he is caught with a few grains of crack cocaine. These are the same people who will excuse breaking the law (torturing prisoners) under the guise of national security. These are the same people who will insist on blaming bin Ladin for 9/11, when their eyes tell them that those buildings were professionally demolished. As Richard Pryor said, "Who you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes"
These are the same people agree with a Rush Limbaugh as he rages against President Obama, claiming that he is deliberately ruining the nation with welfare, food stamps, etc. without realizing that the vast majority of people receiving welfare, food stamps and other means of support are WHITE!
I never knew that STUPID was contagious. Yet, eight years of the Bush administration has left the nation and the Republican party in ruins. Rush Limbaugh today, is the de facto leader of the Republican party. They are completely disconnected with America. Who do they think put Barack Obama in the White House?
Finally, ask yourself, what forms the basis for much of what we discuss and think about? The mass media. Who owns the mass media? Poor, working class folk? So, when taxes are raised on the rich and decreased on the poor, why do we hear so much negativity? When we turn to massive spending bills to help people get back to work, why do we hear so much whining and hand wringing? When you propose to the government to pay off the mortgages of the people with the trillions, why do we hear such a hew and cry? When we discuss affordable healthcare, why is their such anger and hostility to the idea?
Because the rich elite are the ones who will lose and the poor will gain.
I urge you, my brother, continue to speak truth to power and let the chips fall where they may. I have hope, with the election of Obama, the people are stirring from a deep sleep. Soon, they will stand up, get educated and take to the streets and the polling places to take back their nation from the vocal minority - the insane bigots and racists.
Many are called, but few chosen. Peace
Wes Barnard
13,000 abortions annually after 4 1/2 months of gestation.
3700 abortions per DAY in the United States.
37 people executed in 2008 under the death penalty.
None of these things are acceptable.
Wes,
Thanks for continuing to validate my point.
You are upset with the Reverend because he is trying to understand what I think past the superficial. That's very uncomfortable for you, it appears. Why do you think that is? It's hard to face your stereotypes. I know. I've been there.
BTW, I agree that we need to stop criminalizing drug use. Particularly by kids. We are woefully lacking in good treatment programs. Part of the problem is that really good treatment programs tend to be faith based and the government and insurance companies don't really support faith based programs. My daughter's treatment for her eating disorder was private and faith based. She is recovering much faster than people tend to in secular programs - and most people equate eating disorders with substance abuse. They are similar in how they manifest. But the truth is that God heals.
Wes, if you want to have a serious discussion about the problems with health care, and why I do not believe that most federal spending increases long term wealth in an economy, we can talk about that. But you will need to stop thinking in stereotypes first. BTW. 85% of all of the people in the press vote Democrat. So if you think that the press is lying to you, you might want to clarify that in your mind since they are nearly all liberals. That's why when President Obama made his comment the other day in front of the press that they had all voted for him....he wasn't joking. It was funny, but it wasn't a joke.
Wes,
The first thing I would suggest to you.
Drop the "they" thinking. It is clouding your ability to reason.
Clearly God is not pleased. He is not pleased with any negative comments made about anyone. This guy Burt has some issues and we should be praying for him, not against him. In regards to defining a "conservative Christian" being those who are reluctant to change, could it be a reluctance to change the principles of God that so many Christian denominations are straying from? I mean there are many Christian institutions that are adhering to religion and not relationship. As far as the name calling, someone being racist or whatever in God's eyes it is all sin. I do know there is no one on earth exempt from sin and who are full of inadequacies. This is why we still need Christ and are on earth working out our salvation. In regards to Jesus calling the woman a "dog' let's be careful about interpretation and exegesis. Jesus simply meant someone outside of the Jewish nation. However His motive was always geared toward His purpose and that was to show by example to the disciples how the grace of God works and that by faith all people would be accepted into the kingdom. I am disappointed that it appears this blog is again being used to tear down and not to build up. No matter what the world does or the information we may be privy to from a secular perspective, the leaders of God are to use it to glorify God. God is not glorified when we generalize the actions of some toward all in a certain arena. God is not glorified when we don't come away with compassion in our hearts towards the shortcomings of others. God is definitely not glorified when we have influence and use it to strip and encourage others to judge. I agree that if any Christian is seeking to keep with a way of life that encapsulates this is not the way of Christ. However when we present the word, creatively it can and will change the hearts and minds of humankind. Our words can only hurt, for the bible says, "the flesh can do nothing good." (see the book fo Romans). I will end with this It is not wise to get up in the words of man but of God. In the book of Romans, Paul says "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and in Isaiah God says, "even our righteousness is of filthy rags. "
Let us be careful to check our own selves. It is not our right to do so with anyone outside of our homes.
God bless.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/binladen_10-29-04.html
Oh, and Wes....you might have missed this story. Thought you might want to know that Bin Laden admitted to the attacks. Of course, you can choose to believe what that pillar of rational thought, Rosie O'Donnell believes....she is so very mainstream in her opinions, after all.
President Obama knows who attacked us on 9/11. Why do you think he is ramping up action in Afghanistan? You can have your opinion and I'll have mine on the war on terror. I agree with the Pope and the President that we need to look at a Palestinian state....that there is a legitimate grievance by the Palestinians. I am willing to agree that America decided in the last election that the hardline Bush position in the Middle East was simply not working. But to say that the 9/11 attacks were self-inflicted....well, you might need a padded cell.
LuWanna,
Again, thank you. You help me to be able to not think in terms of "they" and to continue to think in terms of "us."
Rev Ajabu
This blog has turned into Dawn, the disgusted Christian Conservative's newspaper. She dominates the space with her schizophrenia that is on her mental spread sheet. She says a lot of nothing and nobody who writes on this blog agrees with her rambling idiocy. I am tired of reading the statements of a lightweight intellectual who has an inferiority complex that is quite apparent. It could be that subconsciously she feels like a misfit in the Conservative Klan because she is half American Indian. She knows but will not admit,that they do not want any mixing of the White race. She is not one of them, she is not a pure White.
Please, someone other than me, tell her that she has a serious identity problem and that is why she has so much to say. I have simply turned her tirades off and moved on to reading others who are logical and informative.
Dawn, please shut up and learn who you really are. I know mental illness when I read it and my dear you are very very foolish.
John the proud ultra liberal Democrat
Reverend?
Rev.,
US Political Christian Conservatives do not, DO NOT prefer Fascist Control and destruction of the Private Sector and Free Enterprise. Our Country is being aborted and our RIGHTS seized by an attack called "Change"
The US federal Government has committed Treason in a time of War and Both Parties are allowing it to happen.
Look at the history of these Thugs in Both Parties and it is clear that it is not time for Name Calling but rather Prosecution.
Your and my freedom are at risk. A Christian can choose an enemy. That Enemy is Evil and that enemy intends to CHANGE this Country's Freedom Status.
You too are frightened. We are all frightened but not yet responding.
It is always wrong to address a woman as a term for a dog. It is not wrong to charge a criminal with a crime.
You too know the power of organizations that sought to make all a racial issue.. The Panthers.
Let's Pray for God's hand to intervene before these political thugs take our Country. When there is a response it will be powerful
The Government has no power to spend your money against your will to surrender your rights under the Constitution.
But they are attempting it.
Watch what happens next. Failure of Evil is on the way. History says so.
PLEASE, Do not let your written words diminish your hearts desire to bring hope and freedom to all of us as brothers.
You can make difference in your ministry. We all want you to !
Jim.
Marshal,
You are a little harsh on Dawn. Just because she has trouble getting people on this website to agree her does not mean that I want her to stop engaging in conversation. We must engage. To not engage would be tantamount to promote previous administrations foreign policy who chose not to engage people in conversation. There is room for all on this blog. Through conversation I pray that we gain understanding and in the end agree that that the "we" is bigger than any "me".
This is a big task, and a very revolutionary task in America since America's legacy is the "me" is more important than the "we". Dawn, as are you, are fortunate enough to be blessed with means. This brings me to quote J.N.K. Mugambi in his book From Liberation To Reconstruction. He says the following:
"There is always a temptation to measure God's favour in terms ofproperity. Indeed, thishas been theprevalent popular fallacy in some strands of Eurp-American Christianity. Political and economic might has been popularly e=viewed as a demonstration of God's favour bestowed on the benefactors and beneficiaries of imperial domination. Thus the slave trade was for centuries viewed by the churches of Europe as God's ordained way to ensure the supply of free labour, which, in turn, provided the fuel for Eurp-American economy before the advent of the internal combustion engine and fossil fuels. The exploited peoples of Africa, Asia and latin America are protrayed in the Euro-American press as lazy, helpless beggars who are unable to repay their debts at exorbitant interest rates. Their cultural and religious heritage is measured against the standards of those who believe that Heaven is north of the Equator and Hell is another word for the southern hemisphere."
The best that I can determine is that Dawn tends to grasp and emulate from this Euro-American legacy. Beneath it all she seems to be a good person in search of herself. I believe she is worthy to work with. My brother, whether you agree or not, it is not appropriate to personally attack her because of disagreement. Attack the disagreement, not the person. Both of you are people of means. However, there is a class of cutural thought foundation. You speak from the "we" while she speaks from the "me". Attack the philisophical base difference. It will breed understanding and really bring the two thoughts closer to one another because in doing, we get to know one another.
One more thing. Being that I do not know Dawn, I will use what other conservatives say as a stick to measure who she says she is. Her labeling herself as a conservative Christian is just too big of language to grasp for me. So when certain certain people who call themselves conserative take positions then I ask her if she agrees. That in essence is the gist of initial post. Her response unveils who she is. In my humble opinion, she really is not a bad person. Again, in my humble opinion, does she need some work. By all means, but the other hand of that is who doesn't need some work. It is alright to disagree, but I request that the disagreement be on position not presonal. We must increase the love and decrease the hate. God bless.
Reverend,
When you stop thinking of people as being worthy or not worthy to speak with (what?! What would you say if those were MY words?!) it makes me as the question....WHO is arrogant?
I have trouble getting people on this website to agree with me, Reverend, because this is a single minded website, with only the occasional alternative view. You would have trouble getting anyone to agree with you on a White Supremacist website. That would not make the White Supremacists "right".
It is so clear from your words to Marshall that you are too closed-minded for me to be of value to you at this time, although I believe that there will come a time where you want to talk to a person of faith who may have already passed through some of the challenges you are yet to pass through...when you will genuinely want to have relationships with people who do not share your worldview. I know that I do. I believe that God brought me here for a reason. To challenge your lifetime-constructed stereotypes. You are not yet ready to hear. Hence you will need to dialogue with people mired in hate, like Dr. Marshall, who are not part of the solution, but are a large part of the problem. People like Marshall, who has spent his life believing and telling other people that this country believes things that most people just do not believe anymore. Like Marshall, who will take an isolated incident and use it to prove his theory when a much larger body of evidence proves his theory to be incorrect. How would you have liked to have been John Marshall's child? To be told that no system in the United States is fair or just. To be told that all white conservative Europeans believe of like mind. Do all Black men have like mind? The answer to that, sir, is "No".
If you had been John Marshall's child raised under a father like that, you would have faced this world with a large handicap.
In the meantime, Reverend, there will be ways for you to reach me if you want me. You have my email address. LuWanna has my phone number.
We have mutual acquaintenances.
I wish you well in your ministry. I actually have only been here because I believe that with a minor adjustment, you are on the way to becoming a hugely powerful force for good.
God Bless
Dawn,
What are you talking about? You imply that the people that write on this blog are tatamount to the KKS or some other white suprematis group. What is wrong with you? What you got to understand is that the people on this blog, and you must understand that this blog reaches thousands. Only a few write, but many are reading. This blog reaches people who define themselves as conservative and liberal. I define my self as neither. Let me state emphatically again, I am Christian. I deal with people, not labels. You are entitled to respond on this site or not. That is your choice. If you stop the dialogue then you lose. It appears that you want people to agree with you even when they don't. Your job is to make your case. Most people, would agree with you that babies should not be killed before they are born. Most would agree with your stated position that the state of Indiana and the country should abolish the death penalty. Or to put it more succintly, if you are against abortion, but for the death penalty then there is a flaw in your thinking. I think you said contradiction. However, we people being in agreement with you on these issues, most would not label themselves as a "Christian Conservative." Who are you to determine what someone has gone through? Read your words, mine in parenthesis:
I believe that there will come a time where you want to talk to a person of faith who may have already passed through some of the challenges you are yet to pass through...(How do you know who I am or am not talking to? This is why I say you are arrogant)
.when you will genuinely want to have relationships with people who do not share your worldview.(Again, how do you know with whom I have relations? You speak from a know it all position. this is why you are view as arrogant.)
I know that I do. I believe that God brought me here for a reason. To challenge your lifetime-constructed stereotypes. You are not yet ready to hear. (Hummm. That is interesting. I would look at your position in an entirely different way. I think God brought you to this website to challenge your lifetime--constructed stereotypes and to help you help yourself. Beleive me, I hear you, I just don't for the most part agree with you. You be blessed. some day I pray that you find the courage to see your self as others see you. When you do, I believe, that God will truly be pleased. God bless)
"Marshal,
You are a little harsh on Dawn"
Wow. A LITTLE harsh. Right.
"There is room for all on this blog. Through conversation I pray that we gain understanding and in the end agree" ...you forgot to add "with me." And when it comes to the idea that there is a common white mindset, you are just wrong. And since that is the majority of what you talk about, my contention is this. Your premise is ridiculous. I should know. I'm the white European. Get with the program, Reverend. You're in the game now. We have some work to do to help the disenfranchised...to get them an equal opportunity and an education...but the disenfranchised are white, black and brown.
"I believe she is worthy to work with" Pffft. That is very Christian of you, thank you. After John has informed me that Blacks are genetically superior, I feel so honored.
Minister, there are people in this community who will not even give you a chance to talk. I saw a man who was broken and went to the Lord. And I believe that you were sincere when you turned your heart to Him. Now I think you have gone on your own path.
Someday, we will talk. When you see people as people and not as Europeans and Africans, "worthy" and unworthy.
LuWanna,
You remember I told you that God works with us all as we are, and that I wish I had your wisdom in how to choose me words wisely? Please pray for me in that regard. :)
Dawn
Dawn,
No I did not forget "with me." I think the "with me" applies to yourself.
You should know you are the white european. My Lord help her.
Minister, there are people in this community who will not even give you a chance to talk. So I am supposed to feel priviledge to be able to talk to you!! Lord help us today. Dawn you need help. I see you reaching out to Luwanna, I hope she can help you. God bless.
Rev Ajabu
Do you finally understand the twisted mindset of Dawn, the Disgusted Christian Conservative. Take the statement she made declaring that she is the "White European." A deeper thinker can see the inferiority aspect of just that statement, pshchoanalytically, she is wishing she is the White European even though she knows she is a mixed breed who claims the "White" side. That's like Barack Obama declaring that he is the White European.
Where did the," Blacks are genetically superior" come from that Dawn mentions? Her husband, the physician, can explain to her that Blacks are genetically superior to all other races. Just mix Dawn's daughter with a blue black person and see if the offspring will be of color. Now multiply that genetic union a million times and you end up wiping out the White race. Dawn will call that racist and call me a hater but it is neither, it is basic genetics. Read Dr Frances Cress Welsing's "The Isis Papers".
Rev Ajabu, I guess we have to put up with the rambling and confused messages we are getting from Dawn and just maybe she will discover that she is full self-hatred, primarily because she is not that pure White European. She hates the non-White part of her person and it becomes more obvious as she spins her tangled web.
I do apologize for being so harsh on her but this woman needs help and I hope her husband will take a closer look at what is going on with his wife. All he has to do is read all this stuff she is saying on this blog that makes no sense.
Finally, I have said repeatedly to Dawn that I would appreciate it if she could stop calling me a hater and state emphatically that I am a liar. She has not been able to show that what I have said about the Conservatives in America are the same as the Skin Heads, KKK, and the NeoNazis. I am witnessing the oppression of Black and the poor in this country up to this very day. This is not a "Post Racial" America. We have more prisoners in jail than any other country on the planet. We had 40 million people without health insurance; now with the high unemployment that number could be approaching 50 million; we have Americans going to bed hungry to the tune of 36 million; we still have police gunning down un armed Black men; and I could go on. How can I be proud of that aspect of America? Dawn is in some fairy tale dreamland concocted by the most virulent racists, the Christian Conservative Klan. They have a track record that is in plain view and that is why America has rejected their policies and voted Democrat this time.
Does Dawn realize what Bush and her Christian Conservatives have done to this great nation. Unemployment, hunger, homelessness, economic meltdown, education system in the tank, the rest of the world hates and despises America, even our allies. Come on Dawn, open your eyes and see for yourself. This is not what you want for your grandchildren.
The Democrats are here to save us from you Christian Conservatives who pumped up Bush and Cheney and now look at the ruin and ashes that they have left America in. Tell me that I am a liar!!!
John the proud ultra Liberal Democrat