South Carolina Governor, Stimulus Package And Zimbabwe
South Carolina Governor, Stimulus Package and Zimbabwe
I could not believe my ears when I heard South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford compare accepting money from the stimulus package with the situation in Zimbabwe. On Wednesday March 11, 2009 CNN reported Governor Sanford saying that the United States faces a Zimbabwe-style economic collapse if it keeps "spending a bunch of money we don't have." He is telling his constituents in South Carolina that he is not going to accept the money unless President Obama’s administration allows him to use some of the money to pay down the state’s debt. Let me put this into focus for you.
A person in South Carolina has lost his or her job. The person has a family to feed, a mortgage to pay, and work to find. Someone volunteers to give the unemployed worker some money until the person can find a job. The governor wants the unemployed worker to allow his family to go hungry, the mortgage to go unpaid, while the state government takes the money from the U.S. government and pays off some of the state government debts. It should also be noted that South Carolina’s rate of unemployment hit 10.4 percent, second only to Michigan's 11.6 percent.
The residents in South Carolina should run their governor out of office. He is expressing the trickle down economic theory to which President Obama is opposed and which has contributed to much of the economic downturn of present day American society. This is why the money needs to be given directly to the little people. Let the money trickle up, not trickle down. And Sanford has got the nerve to say that if he accepts the money then he will be creating a situation in South Carolina similar to the situation that exists in Zimbabwe. Can the same tragic political shenanigans happening in Zimbabwe that are contributing to Zimbabwe’s economic disaster be happening in South Carolina? Let’s see.
On February 11, 2009 Zimbabwe formed a “unity” government. This government consisted of the ruling Zimbabwe African National Union Patriotic Front (ZANU-PF), and the two factions of the Movement for Democratic Change (MDC-T). The United States, Britain and the European Union as a whole have said they will restrict aid to humanitarian assistance and won’t provide development aid to rebuild infrastructure and the shattered economy without clear evidence of significant reforms in Harare. Forming the Unity government was the requirement placed on the Zimbabwean government for the U.S. and Britain to stop blocking the Zimbabwean government from getting loans from the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. The loans from the IMF and the World Banks would be Zimbabwe’s stimulus package. Understand I said loan to Zimbabwe not like the gift to South Carolina. Zimbabwe would pay back the loan. Yes, unemployment is extremely high in Zimbabwe; it is high because the U.S. government ,in conjunction with Britain, is blocking money going to Zimbabwe which is much different than the gifting of money to South Carolina. Governor, the stimulus money to your state is not the same as the stimulus money being blocked that would kick start Zimbabwe’s economy. Employment is high in South Carolina, but the solution, as Sanford sees it, is not in having the government pour money into this state’s economy to help the unemployed, but ah, Sandford would much rather pay the state’s debt! God forbid!. Because Zimbabwe is not able to get loans it is having trouble feeding its people. This holdover policy from the Bush administration is causing starvation in Zimbabwe in order to accomplish political goals. President Obama’s administration is not putting these types of stipulations on South Carolina. You governor, as Bush has done to Zimbabwe, seemingly are willing to starve and make homeless the people of South Carolina by not taking the money offered by President Obama’s administration. That will make South Carolina like Zimbabwe because of your choosing. Let’s continue the comparison of the political environments that contribute to the economic situations.
On March 6, 2009 Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai and his wife were in a car accident. That accident seriously injured the Prime Minister and killed his wife. The car that hit their car had license plates on it registered for use by the U.S. embassy or the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) according to Professor Jonathan Moyo, a member of Zimbabwe’s parliament. CNN reported that an anonymous member of MDC said the accident was an intentional act on the part of ZANU-PF to assassinate Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai rather than an act on the part of the U.S. government. How can the Zimbabwean government get a car registered to the United States government and use it to try to intentionally kill the second highest official of the Zimbabwean government and then return the car back to the U.S. government’s motor pool? Governor Sanford, are you trying to tell South Carolinians and the American people that President Obama’s administration is pulling off political shenanigans in South Carolina like that happening in Zimbabwe? Let me be clear, I am not saying that President Obama’s administration authorized the behavior that is going on in Zimbabwe. I know that the President is tied up with kick starting this economy and because of the country’s economic situation hasn’t taken the time to review and hopefully change the Bush administration’s policies toward Zimbabwe. I just don’t want to believe that the integrity of President Obama would allow him to support the type of behavior that is being displayed in Zimbabwe on behalf of the United States government. Bush’s policy in Zimbabwe starves innocent people in order to accomplish political gains. Just like he has stopped using the Bush language of “enemy combatants,” I believe President Obama will change Bush’s policy toward Zimbabwe.
There needs to be an international inquiry into the crash that caused the death of Amai Susan Tsvangirai, the wife of Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai. The senior official in the United States Embassy, Glen Warren who according to Professor Johnathan Moyo a member of Zimbabwe’s parliament, verified in a telephone conversation that the car that hit the car in which the Prime Minister and his wife were riding belonged to the USAID should be questioned intently concerning his knowledge of the accident. And if, according to Governor Sanford, things like these things going on in Zimbabwe are also going on in South Carolina then that behavior should too be intently investigated. Governor, if the behavior in Zimbabwe is not the case in South Carolina then take the money and give it to your unemployed so that they can feed their families, and pay their mortgages until the economy bounces back, which it will, and they can again find employment and be self sufficient. Quit playing political games. The state’s debt can wait. Feed your people. Thank you for listening to AjabuSpeaks.
Rev. Ajabu
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Very well written,but what is the ratio of blacks versus whites in their jobless rate. That has a lot to do with his decision because his white constiuants are not feeling the brunt of the job loses so he really dont care and he is using their grief to propel himself in the Republican ranks to try to make a bid for upward mobility in their ranks
Doc,
Whatever the ratio he should take the money.
You are absolutely right.He should take the money.Then his constituents should start the same proceedings and impeach him the same way they did that idiot governor in Chicago
Rev. Ajabu-
Please let us all know very soon, when South Carolina turns into "Zimbabwe", and let us know what the head count of the starving and homeless is.
I am sure I don't have to ask you to tell me how many whites are starved out here, as this very mean Republican Governor will be sure to only starve out Black Democrats.
Again-- here you are "decreasing the hate, and increasing the love" via more "CLASS WARFARE" blogs....where would we be without you Rev '
Jayson, Jayson,
You should ask Gov. Sanford your question. He's the one that compared Zimbabwe with South Carolina. It seems that we might agree on how ludicrous is the comparison. I don't care that he is a republican. I have said this time and time again. It is not the party that gets my support, it is the person's position. If the person is right, then I don't care the label that is being carried. I believe this is the formula to increase the love and decrease the hate. God bless.
Minister Ajabu,
Once again we see clearly the "class warfare" you wrote about raging all around us. The working class people of South Carolina are hard hit by the collapsing economy. The Governor of South Carolina is not affected by the hard times because he is being paid by US, the taxpayers. Those unaffected can afford to sit on their high horse and pretend to posture against our President's effort to turn things around. We should not be suprised. The history of this country is replete with the contrast of the "haves" versus the "have nots". All one has to do is go into small towns all over the South to see the magnificent homes of the wealthy versus the shacks and trailers of the poor.
I am hoping that the majority of American "have nots" wake up and realize that "race" and "racsim" has been used to divide the "have nots" into competing groups for the crumbs that fall from the table of the "haves".
Hopefully, out of this class warfare will eventually float a recognition that these career politicians must be replaced with working class people with some sense of humanity and concern for others.
God bless your efforts to speak truth to power. My brother, more "have nots" are listenting than ever before. Keep up the message. It is worthy of repeating and sharing.
Rev. Ajabu-
We all need to help each other, we all have a stake in this- we all elected the same politicians over and over who stood watch while this happened.
Few of them have been held accountable, most were reelected.
You want to give money away, I'd like to see more people with good jobs. If you want to clean up this economic mess- eliminate or greatly reduce the capital gains tax- Obama would be a hero- He would fix the housing markets, you'd see liquidity in the banking markets like nobody's business and you'd see more money in income taxes being raked in by the gov't than in any year previously.
The alternative is to keep printing funny money, and bailing out bad businesses so we will all see massive inflation that will hit the poor the hardest, and you can forget the housing markets for about 10 years. Yes, allow unhealthy banks to fail, and bad business to reorganize. You want to fix the automotive markets?- GM and Chrysler have to reorganize as well.
A temporary handout is not going to last long, some pragmatic smart economic decisions not based on political paybacks is what will get us out of this mess.
Wes,
Again you make a point. If more little people would run and win political office then we would have some integrity in office that is concerned about their fellow man/woman.
Jayson,
My position is if the government is going to give away money then give it to the little people, not the fat cats. Look at this debacle that is going on with AIG. Their executives have made decisions that have run the company into bankruptcy. However, to keep them in their positions they have signed a contract that pretty much gurantees them a bonus pretty much for just staying on the job. It makes no different that they ruined the company, by contract they still get a bonus. My God!! Where are their moral values. This is the class war of which i speak. Give it to the people who have lost their jobs, can't pay for their mortgage, have trouble feeding their people. Let the fat cats get fatter by making profit off of the little man's consumption. It is what Jesus would have us do. We must look out for the least of these.
Rev Ajabu
You are so patient with Jayson. Why waste so much valuable time trying to convince a Republican that it is the ordinary man that has to be empowered. The rich and the well connected are doing fine. They are not complaining about their taxes going up because they have plenty of money.
Republicans like Jayson will say that we are punishing the achievers and those who have made it to the top by their own efforts. Trust me, that crowd will pay whatever taxes come their way and continue to make money by hook or crook. They are not going to shut anything down just because they have to pay extra taxes. Jayson thinks he understands capitalism but he is operating on a small minded level. If you don't understand anything that I am saying, please realize that the rich do not need your help. They are just fine without or with taxes increased on their fat pocketbooks.
The poor and the masses who are struggling may not pay payroll taxes but they pay taxes. As I mentioned before, they take out of the fast food workers check and these downtrodden people pay taxes on food and other items.
I know president Obama will bring that bottom rail to the top. Like Bill Clinton, he will raise all boats. If the ignorant Republican losers would just shut up and get out of the way, they will see a genius at work. The Democrats [not the Southern Confederate Democrats] have been very successful in making America great. They know how to govern and they always try to lift up the poor and the working class. How stupid can you get wasting time trying to help the rich and the well off while millions are suffering just trying to make it. That is why Republicans have always failed in their governance. Jayson will never understand this point unless his ass hits rock bottom.
Marshall,
I have to be patient with Jayson. I think that there is a good person in there that is resistant to change, but is ripe for change. I can't increase the love if I decrease the love. Part of the act of love is patience. Read Jayson's words carefully. His stance has actually soften. He did not use personal attacks to make his point. That's progress! The truth will set us free. God bless.
Ok, Rev. Ajabu-
On AIG- we definately agree. The bonuses are shameful, why ANY money would have gone to AIG when it was known these bonuses where going to be paid is beyond me. Also, AIG paid $billion$ of our tax payer money to foreign banks, to bail them out. What BS! The reckless burning of cash going on has a future pricetag, and there is no end in sight. This is a recipe for massive inflation, and it will come.
The amount of money paid to those who got these bonuses should be recovered or paid back by AIG, period.
I really am trying to be more understanding with John Marshall, as I know it must be difficult getting the limited number of brain cells to fire in sequence, when your handicapped by hatred.
John - youre right we rich will pay our taxes.
no matter what, but Ask anyone on the bottom rung if they'd like a one time $5K handout and be unemployed, or make $40-50k, and have a job. I would bet the great majority would want the job. And your liberal friends in Washington would be even happier to have an actual tax payer whose pockets they can get into every 2 week pay-cycle.
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Rev. Ajabu- don't get me wrong, I am for helping those on the bottom rung of the ladder, with medical care, food, shelter and whatever, job training for as long as is needed based on their individual circumstance. I just want the help going to the right people who need it, not the wrong ones who don't or who have acted irresponsibly, and bought homes, cars etc- they shouldn't have bought in the first place.
Jayson
Jayson, Jayson,
I really appreciate your change in demeanor. Difficult dialogue can be had without making it more difficult. Thanks. Marshall you see what I mean. Let' deal with people. Dealing with parties really has the tendency to drive us apart. We must increase the love. The nation needs us all. We just have to have this difficult dialogue so we can understand what we have in common and move forward accordingly. Jayson, just one thing. Just like I am trying to understand your perspective, you must try also to understand Marshall's. That don't mean you have to agree, but understanding is paramount. Try to understand the path that has brought him to his reality. It will be better for the nation and ourselves as we go forward. God bless.
Jayson
I know you would like for our citizens to be employed and pay their fare share of taxes but guess what. When we had Bill Clinton as president, he created 22 million jobs and the lowest poverty rate in modern times. Your Republican presidents have always put us in either high deficits or a depression. The Democrats have a better track record of providing jobs for the masses.
Doesn't it make more sense to support Democrats than Republicans. The record speaks for itself [Jimmy Carter might be one exception]. If you seriously want to see the people on the bottom get jobs and buy things that they can afford, then we need Democratic leadership in order to achieve that.
Have you noticed how many people show up for jobs around the country. They may post 40 jobs and thousands come to apply. The masses of people want to work and behave responsibly, the problem is having self serving idiots like Bush and Cheney work against the best interest of the ordinary people.
There is no way that you can't see the common sense in the above statements. The facts and the record are so clear, Republicans will starve you while the Democrats try to feed you. The people are ready to work and move forward and they will with Obama.
Now I am hearing that about 15 Democrats are fighting the policies of president Obama. That is all we need to derail everything if the Democrats become divided. The rebellion is led by Sen Bayh of Indiana. All we have to save this country are the Democrats and if they become divided then there is little hope for America. If Sen Bayh prevails then we will have to leave it in God's hands because hard times will get worse this nation.
I truly agree with you Rev Ajabu, Jayson is becoming more conversational and less confrontational. This is the Jayson we have been waiting on to spa with us without the vitriole and the abusive language.
John Marshall-
I do understand that basic "Facts and Logic"- confuse you. They differ greatly from the liberal poison you have quite a taste for.
THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE- of another ONE OF YOUR FACT-less propaganda statements that you just made above.
""Bill Clinton "created 22 million jobs"""-
Really John? NAME a SINGLE PRIVATE SECTOR JOB- that Bill Clinton single-handedly created, Please!!?? and tell me how he did it.
Fill in here___________________________ :)
(someday you might give the tech companies i.e. like Microsoft - just a "little" credit for nearly all of the "Tech-Boom Jobs-- of course, Bill Clinton took them to court....remember, they we're too creative and ingenious so they had to be sued. What a joke that was. How is that creating jobs? Oh, he created jobs for Lawyers???--ok!! I'll give you that- probably created more jobs for lawyers than any other President!!!!
Then you go into the whole "Republicans starving people lame yammer BS ....oh, geez John....
Then you state "Bush and Cheney worked against the interests of ordinary people....really John when, what , where??? Yawn.....
Do you have anything original to add here? Turn your brain on man! You also say "facts and records" support this- of course, you don't show them, cause you don't have them -you just repeat your "media-fed made-up liberal, hate all conservatives, BS", you've been instructed to regurgitate.
It's BS John, because it's there to foster class warfare, and your liberal insatiable drive to make everyone a victim, and dependant on government, and to get even with whoever you perceive as wronging you and your race. I get it, I got you figured out.
John- deal in some actual facts and logic, and we can have an intelligent conversation here, but you're just impressing your fellow poison-drinkers. If you can't deal in real facts and real logic- you're just entertainment for me, and it makes you look a little foolish, and I think deep down your really smarter than that John. You just need to detox from the hate.
Jayson
The American people voted in the Democrats in 2006 and 2008. They did that because they had enough of the Republicans messing up this great country. You can play dumb all you want but George Bush inherited a huge surplus when he first took office. The president who gave it to him was Democrat Bill Clinton.
You can play ignorant but you know and the whole world knows that the economy under Clinton was one of the strongest in American history. The Republicans can't even recall a successful presidency under their governance in modern times.
Since you want to play games, you tell me how many jobs Bush produced in his 8 years in office. Look at the ratings of Bush at the end of those 8 long years. Can you please explain to me and the rest of the country why are we in a near Depression following Bush and your Republican administration.
An idiot started two wars and cut taxes, that idiot is George Bush and he was supported every step of the way with an equally idiotic Republican Congress. I will not waste another minute trying to get you to admit that your Republicans have destroyed our country and it will take another Democrat to save us.
Keep making those weak claims and those amateurish statistics that still don't prove your point. I told you Bill Clinton created 22 million jobs and you turn that around by knit picking whether they are private sector and whether Bill Clinton singlehandedly created the jobs. You just need to deal with the fact that Clinton put our people to work and Bush has left us with millions who are unemployed. When I say Clinton created jobs, I am talking about his Democratic administration.
You are grabbing at straws and you have lost this argument. It is well known in America and around the world that Clinton left this country in the best shape since Roosevelt died. No Republican has left our nation in good shape like the Democrats have. You cannot distort, stretch, and twist the obvious because it seems everybody knows these facts but you.
I promised to end these discussions because you claim to have facts but you really don't. Public opinion has spoken and the Democrats continue to win while the Republicans have been miserable failures in governing anything.
Good luck Jayson! Your Republicans might do something one day but that day is surely not here yet.
Marshall and Jayson,
As long as you define yourselves in term of the party to which you belong we will never get together. Forget the party, look at the person. God bless.
Rev Ajabu
There is nothing wrong with identifying with a political party. The debate is what has the political party done to make life better for all of our citizens. We [Blacks] were loyal Republicans when Lincoln was pretending to free the slaves. When Democrats [outside the Confederate South] began signing Civil Rights Bills and breaking down segregation laws, we moved wisely to the Democrats. If the Democrats stop addressing the needs of the masses then we will move on from them.
Choosing a political party that speaks to the needs of the people is intelligent. I have struggled with Jayson to explain to me and the other bloggers what has the Republican Party done to earn our support. I am looking at the worst economic crisis since the other Republican [Hoover} left us with. And in both cases a Democrat had to come behind the Republican to clean up his mess. Jayson will not admit that Bush has mucked up this great country just like Hoover did. The Republicans in Congress went along with everything that idiot put out there. The American people are rejecting Jayson's party and rightly so.
You can't keep electing Republicans and expect a different outcome; I know Jayson can't give me one successful Republican administration since Hoover.
Rev I have to disagree with you about political parties. We live in a country that uses political parties to get things done. We can't pretend that we don't need a particular party when the essence of a democracy depends on the citizens to either vote one party in or vote one out.
Fortunately, America has finally rejected the sick Republican party that is concerned about the welfare of the richest citizens and to hell with the middle and lower classes. That is the very reason why Republicans have never governed successfully. Thank God for Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Hillary and Bill Clinton, Eric Holder, Ted Kennedy and so many more. The economy is looking better and the Anti-Obama crowd is running out of things to complain about. They are scared to death that Obama and the liberal Democrats will save America again.
Just look how they knit pick every little thing that Obama does. I have heard complaints about his appearance of Jay Leno's Show, the discussions on the dog that they are getting, the social functions, and even his opinion about the Final Four College Basketball winner this year.
When George Bush was president for eight years, did we hear them [Republicans] complain about all of those dead soldiers who died because Bush lied. Did they complain about an idiot cutting taxes on the rich and then started two illegal wars. He squandered his political capital after 911 by following Dick Cheney with the Iraq big money pay off for those NeoCons, Cheneys buddies, and the oil tycoons. Those are the things we need to hear Republicans complain about, not whether the president was on a talk show.
You see how ridiculous these Republican Conservative Confederate idiots are? They are losing everything and their ratings are at an all time low since Hoover days. It couldn't happen to a nicer political party. God is able!!!
john
Marshall,
You tickle me. My position is to embrace the person because of their position. If that happens to be the party's position then embrace it too.
John Marshall-
Clinton didn’t create 22 million jobs - the booming economy that he inherited from Bush 41 and Reagan did.
As far as I am concerned, no president created any jobs- the private sector did.
You can't name A SINGLE POLICY- THAT CLINTON CAME UP WITH That made us 1 job!-- I've asked you for it at least 10 times- you've backed it up with nuthin'!!!!
Again, you show no facts to back up your DNC party rants- youre hilarious.
Again, you have a weak grasp of actual facts.
There was no real surplus when Clinton was President. Go check the federal deficit levels from 1997-2001... of course, your willing to
give credence to the "creative accounting"- to come up with a phony "surplus".
But liberals have always had a problem with accurate accounting...why should we expect anymore. The Ca$h printing going on at the mint right now is an exce3llent example of your lack of grasp for real facts. You dont even comment on that- whose the idiot?
John- we all know you ignore any facts that don't match up to what you get from MOVEON.org, the DNC, and NAACP - but we know you love to drink the KOOL-Aid, and belly up to the smorgasboard at the FAtCat holiday dinner!!
A lot of Governors are not accepting some of the stimulus dollars because they come with strings attached that could significantly hurt state budgets going forward. Also, much of our economic collapse is due to government interventions and manipulations of the markets. That has been our government for decades now... make bad decisions, then make more bad decisions to cover up the earlier bad decisions.
It's also worth point out that government has no money. They only take from one person to give to someone else. They do this either via Taxes OR via inflation. Inflation hurts poor people the hardest as the inflation (increase in the money supply without underlying increase in asset or GDP value) leads to price increases. The first groups (banks and insurance companies recently) to get the new dollars benefit as price levels are yet to rise, by the time it trickles down to the poor, however, the economy starts reflecting the existence of this new "printed out of thin air" money and price levels have risen before their incomes do.
The Zimbabwe reference is accurate in that it is what we must be vigilant against with government printing so much money without anything to back it. Zimbabwe has a 230,000,000 (230 million) percent inflation rate.
Inflation just becomes a "hidden tax" whereby the government doesn't have to take our money, it just makes it worth less (dilutes it) as it runs the printing press. Inflation has become a tool for continually reducing the size of the outstanding federal debt and the impact of this 3 to 5% (typically) inflation rate is that your savings (earning .5% to 3%) are reduced in actual value each year AND you get the luxury of paying income taxes on your inflation taxes.
BTW - I highly recommend the books Meltdown by Woods and Economics in One Lesson by Hazlitt for anyone wishing to understand our current economic crisis and proper solutions for fixing America. I can tell you neither Republicans nor Democrats seem to have the solution and it is laughably funny how Republicans all of the sudden find "fiscal religion" now that they are out of power. Where was THAT the past 8 years?
Well, well, well; so it is Gov. Sanford is seeking excuses not to help those in need prosper or even retain their standard of living. To compare any situation in America to that of Zimbabwe is a total lack of regard from anyone in leadership towards their own. To do so is also a form of disrespect and speaks volumes of the lack of compassion one might have toward a nation of people whose struggles he could not fathom. The fact that he could turn down funds unless conditions were put on them speaks to his ignorance toward the people who put him in office or not. It is very clear that the rich are seeking to keep the poor poorer and continue to oppress what used to be the middle class as well. When it is a Governor seeks to receive moneys for the betterment of lives to be used toward the states debts says in my opinion what Wall Street has been doing all along; seeking to use the federal government to clean up its messes. We pay taxes on many levels, if this money (tax dollars) was not used efficiently is not the state accountable for insuffiency? There was a comment made about Obama not doing anything about the situation Bush helped to create in Zimbabwe. I think Obama is right on target and in line with his primary instructor's guidance, and that is to take care of home first. Something that has not been done since I can remember remembering. This does not mean our President is not concerned with the needs of others, it speaks volumes of him being wise in prioritizing. I further understand that some are having a problem with taking sides (republican/demorcrat); well would not wisdom call for being on the only side----what is best for all. Obviously up to now this has not been the case. When it is poor people were lining the pockets of the wealthy, welfare for corporations and farmers (in many instances), AIG giving away bonuses when begging to be bailed out; and banks taking funds without releasing them in a manner agreed upon before receiving it. Is it not clear that people such as Sanford are seeking to create a diversion away from what he hoped could happen even for himself? Not to be held accountable for positions held and people who have worked hard and were losing primarily everything as a result of greed and dehumanism. Rev. Ajabu keep doing what you are doing. One day some others will catch on. It is pitiful how truth is purposely taken out of context to suit the mindsets of those ignorant to it. Hopefully we all can come to a consensus about the realities prevalent today as well as those of the past. It is then we can all move forward, boy sometimes it gets tight having to pull the wagon, when the ride could be much smoother if we lean not to emotion and self gain, but to that which brings about peace of mind and joy in spirit - Just living to prosper others. (A generous man will prosper;those who refresh others, will themslves be refreshed) Proverbs 11:25.
Hope the stimulus works.